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Does anyone see the similarities between this ht...... Nick Havard Nov 13, 2006, 09:14
Hi, well, at least he should've replaced GANDAL...... Score: 400 PtsScore: 400 PtsScore: 400 PtsScore: 400 PtsScore: 400 Pts Alexander Lavecchia Nov 13, 2006, 10:06
Hi, This is not the first plagiary from this gu...... Score: 700 PtsScore: 700 PtsScore: 700 PtsScore: 700 PtsScore: 700 Pts Michel Cadot Nov 13, 2006, 10:47
Hi I don't mind them printing my script ect, if...... Score: 600 PtsScore: 600 PtsScore: 600 PtsScore: 600 PtsScore: 600 Pts Nick Havard Nov 13, 2006, 10:51
Hi Michel, I actually found most of his web sit...... Nick Havard Nov 13, 2006, 10:55
Hi Nick, I agree with you. This is the differe...... Michel Cadot Nov 13, 2006, 10:56
Hi, and the most annoying is, that he will get ...... Score: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 Pts Alexander Lavecchia Nov 13, 2006, 11:19
Hi guys, this guy is really a pathetic example ...... Score: 1000 PtsScore: 1000 PtsScore: 1000 PtsScore: 1000 PtsScore: 1000 Pts Ales Kavsek Nov 13, 2006, 11:36
Hi His Internet Page is so lame. I am sure he...... Score: 600 PtsScore: 600 PtsScore: 600 PtsScore: 600 PtsScore: 600 Pts Rolland Sovarszki Nov 13, 2006, 11:36
Hi, I received this explanation from Apun with ...... Score: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 Pts Ales Kavsek Nov 13, 2006, 11:50
Weak, ridiculous and pathetic answer. He can ...... Score: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 Pts Michel Cadot Nov 13, 2006, 12:13
Hi Thank you all for your support. I too not...... Nick Havard Nov 13, 2006, 12:39
Hi Nick, it is a shame to sell like own the other...... Score: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 Pts Alessandro Deledda Nov 13, 2006, 13:10
Hi Nick, This morning I was wondering I found a...... Hemant Patel Nov 13, 2006, 16:36
Hi, I completely agree with you guys. Indeed th...... Score: 300 PtsScore: 300 PtsScore: 300 PtsScore: 300 PtsScore: 300 Pts Demetrios Gogos Nov 13, 2006, 16:51
But wait!!! there's more: http://www.apunhiran....... Score: 1000 PtsScore: 1000 PtsScore: 1000 PtsScore: 1000 PtsScore: 1000 Pts Zoran Hudec Nov 14, 2006, 04:46
Thanks Zoran, That's enough, I just asked Geert...... Michel Cadot Nov 14, 2006, 06:19
Thanks for letting me know. The link is removed.... Score: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 Pts Geert De Paep Nov 14, 2006, 08:03
Hi Good catch Zoran..... This guy is an abso...... Score: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 Pts Nick Havard Nov 14, 2006, 09:26
Hi All, Good news, site http://www.apunhiran.co...... Score: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 Pts Michel Cadot Dec 24, 2006, 07:45
Hi Michel, Thats excellent news for Christmas........ Nick Havard Dec 24, 2006, 09:21
Hello Sir, I had already apologized on this copy ...... Apun Hiran Dec 24, 2006, 09:50
You lie and your last site (dbahub) was the proo...... Michel Cadot Dec 24, 2006, 10:23
What is wrong there Sir, Every page has its source...... Apun Hiran Dec 24, 2006, 13:53
I believe the best I can do to prove that I can I ...... Apun Hiran Dec 24, 2006, 15:40
Hi The reason no one is likely to trust you is ...... Score: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 PtsScore: 200 Pts Nick Havard Dec 24, 2006, 18:17
I see cars in the street, I don't know who are t...... Michel Cadot Dec 25, 2006, 09:04
Lies, lies, lies. See D. Morgan answer abou...... Score: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 PtsScore: 100 Pts Michel Cadot Dec 25, 2006, 09:39
Thanks you Sir, This whole issue has definitely sh...... Apun Hiran Dec 25, 2006, 14:08

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Subject: Spot the Difference
Author: Nick Havard, United Kingdom
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 09:14, 5670 days ago
Message: Does anyone see the similarities between this
http://www.dba-village.com/village/dvp_scripts.ScriptDetails?ScriptIdA=1449
and this
http://www.apunhiran.com/rman_windows1.html

Even many of the comments are the same.

I wouldn' actually mind if he just simply gave me the credit for my script.

Nick.
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Alexander Lavecchia, Germany
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 10:06, 5670 days ago
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Message: Hi,

well, at least he should've replaced GANDALF with SARUMAN, that'd be more to the point.

I think it's a shame but hard to prosecute.

Kind Regards

Alex
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Michel Cadot, France
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 10:47, 5670 days ago
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Message: Hi,

This is not the first plagiary from this guy.

His answer at http://4dag.cronos.be/village/dvp_forum.OpenThread?ThreadIdA=11137#42654 contains the well known query from catblock.sql which he did not clearly understand as most of the lock types in the first decode can't appear if you join with v$locked_objects.

His Oracle history in his site (http://www.apunhiran.com/oracle_history.html) is a copy and paste of wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_database. You may also find it on several other sites.

Regards
Michel

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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Nick Havard, United Kingdom
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 10:51, 5670 days ago
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Message: Hi

I don't mind them printing my script ect, if I did I wouldn't have posted it in the first place.

I'm more p***ed at the fact they claim its their own work; with no reference to the original etc

Here's another one.
http://dba.fyicenter.com/interview/Oracle_DBA_Checklist.html

Compare this to the book Oracle DBA Checklist by RevealNet.

Nick.
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Nick Havard, United Kingdom
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 10:55, 5670 days ago
Message: Hi Michel,

I actually found most of his web site didn't work properly as I thought I'd look into the Sybase section.

I guess he's another self proclaimed Oracle expert.

Nick.
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Michel Cadot, France
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 10:56, 5670 days ago
Message: Hi Nick,

I agree with you.
This is the difference between plagiary and reference, between stealing and borrowing.

Regards
Michel
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Alexander Lavecchia, Germany
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 11:19, 5670 days ago
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Message: Hi,

and the most annoying is, that he will get away with it and earn credits for his sneaking and copying and that some not so experienced dbas may be blinded and rely on some of his unapproved "expert" knowledge. I'm not sure, if he tested some of his "collected" scripts anyway, but it takes just a few looks to see they are coming from different sources.

As I already said, it's a shame, nothing against the concept of a collection of several really good scripts collected from different sources (as here in dba-village), but only with a little history of where it came from and credits to the original author.

Kind Regards

Alex
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Ales Kavsek, Slovenia
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 11:36, 5670 days ago
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Message: Hi guys,

this guy is really a pathetic example of "copy cat" self-proclaimed expert. I sent him an e-mail, asking him to replace his name in the script and make an apology to Nick (not knowing that this is not his only theft, thanks Michel!).

Otherwise, I'll send a nice letter (both in e-mail and on paper, with screenshots and everything) to his current employer, Perot Systems, questioning their employee proffesional and ethical habits. (Not that I'm naive in thinking that this will actually help, we're living in a big World, where intellectual property is a relative term).

For example, awhile ago someone on www.orafaq.org was selling a "tip" on the forum on how to prepare Developer Runtime environment, demanding 20$ for this paper, which was really my paper published on the very same site years ago. :-(

Regards,
Ales


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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Rolland Sovarszki, Germany
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 11:36, 5670 days ago
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Message: Hi


His Internet Page is so lame. I am sure he is a self proclaimed "Expert". He is the type of guy who makes a few selections, then he says about himself: "I am a mediocre SQL selector", then he puts an inner select inside, suddenly: he's the best.

I hope I'm not insulting anybody by this.

Regards!
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Ales Kavsek, Slovenia
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 11:50, 5670 days ago
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Message: Hi,

I received this explanation from Apun with apology to Nick, I take the liberty to publish his reply in verbatim:

Oops, uploaded the wrong script. Actually the I had done some major changes to the original scripts and included reporting etc and other 10g compatibilty features, and am using it at my current databases. The new script is from inspiration from Mr. Nick Havard script, but very different. I incidently uploaded this one without taking a look at the contents. My sincere apologies to Nick. I have made the necessary changes to the web page. You have have a look.
I will upload my script once again under different header once I have my webpage ready.

Sorry about this.
Regards
Apun Hiran


Regards,
Ales
ales
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Michel Cadot, France
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 12:13, 5670 days ago
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Message:
Weak, ridiculous and pathetic answer.

He can modify his page to put Nick's name but can't replace the whole script by "his"?
He "incidently" uploaded Nick's script but "gandalf" is replaced by "APUN" and Nick's name by his. Very curious upload process that changes the names!

Regards
Michel
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Nick Havard, United Kingdom
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 12:39, 5670 days ago
Message: Hi

Thank you all for your support.

I too noticed that he'd changed the name on the script, but left the date as is. There are lots of pointers in the page that suggest his excuse is just that "an excuse".

What's the betting that he's currently beavering away writing a script which he can claim he wrote some time ago to replace it....

Nick.
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Alessandro Deledda, Italy
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 13:10, 5669 days ago
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Message: Hi Nick,
it is a shame to sell like own the other people's work, it is truly an incorrect and intolerable behavior....

Kind Regards
Alessandro

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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Hemant Patel, United States
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 16:36, 5669 days ago
Message: Hi Nick,

This morning I was wondering I found a new website http://www.apunhiran.com

But, whoooooops hard to comepete this board : http://www.dba-village.com

Anyways, this can also happen in this world ;-)

Hemant.
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Demetrios Gogos, Greece
Date: Nov 13, 2006, 16:51, 5669 days ago
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Message: Hi,

I completely agree with you guys. Indeed there are a lot of people that stealing the work of others and they don't even bother to realize what the statement realy does and how they can read it's output.
They don't realize that some people (Nick, Michel , Allessandro, Guy, Bruno, Zoran and others great DBAs) are publiched their work so to help junior DBAs (like my self) to their work. Even though someone who reads a scripts has to realize what it does and change it to meat his needs.

You guys are giving your knowledge and helping with your experience and guidance. It's unfair that that some other's takes advantage of that and stealing it in order to make money.

Regards

Demetrios
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Zoran Hudec, Australia
Date: Nov 14, 2006, 04:46, 5669 days ago
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Message: But wait!!! there's more:

http://www.apunhiran.com/scripts/CreateIndexGenerate.sql
http://www.bijoos.com/ora7/oc/cr_index.txt

http://www.apunhiran.com/space_report1.html
http://www.lazydba.com/oracle/0__35637.html

http://www.apunhiran.com/scripts/TableSpace_Info.sql
http://rjh.keybit.net/oracle/space.sql


I didn't bother looking any more, but this guy has a real problem.
Did he do anything that he can claim as his work?
And why did he stop there? He could've dome much more...
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Michel Cadot, France
Date: Nov 14, 2006, 06:19, 5669 days ago
Message: Thanks Zoran,

That's enough, I just asked Geert to remove the link to his site.

Regards
Michel
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Geert De Paep, Belgium
Date: Nov 14, 2006, 08:03, 5669 days ago
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Message: Thanks for letting me know. The link is removed.
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Nick Havard, United Kingdom
Date: Nov 14, 2006, 09:26, 5669 days ago
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Message: Hi

Good catch Zoran.....

This guy is an absolute joke, does he really expect to get away with republishing everyone else's work under his own name.

Best Wishes.

Nick.
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Michel Cadot, France
Date: Dec 24, 2006, 07:45, 5629 days ago
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Message: Hi All,

Good news, site http://www.apunhiran.com is now suspended after he tried to put online a new, greater and worse site: http://www.dbahub.com, stealing even Oracle papers.

Have a look at these threads on usenet (if the links don't work, search on Google groups for www.dbahub.com):
http://groups.google.fr/group/comp.databases.oracle.misc/browse_thread/thread/dec97dcc634c7860/d6ba43fb6e509d9f?hl=fr#d6ba43fb6e509d9f
http://groups.google.fr/group/comp.databases.oracle.server/browse_thread/thread/285d6b95d87fbc5e/5f9cefec7fea4cd6?hl=fr#5f9cefec7fea4cd6

Regards
Michel
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Nick Havard, United Kingdom
Date: Dec 24, 2006, 09:21, 5629 days ago
Message: Hi Michel,

Thats excellent news for Christmas..... :)


Have a good festive period.

Nick.
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Apun Hiran, India
Date: Dec 24, 2006, 09:50, 5629 days ago
Message: Hello Sir,
I had already apologized on this copy issue. Let me do it again. I have used Nick's RMAN for a long time abt 2yrs. It just so happened that while implementing it on some server, I happened to change the name and that's the copy lying with me and so I just uploaded it. I did not have track of where the script was downloaded, because of sheer time it had been since I first used it. Once told about it I did change it right away.
I am very thankful for Nick to write such a great script, and by mistake this change happened and I realize my mistake. You all have been trying to brand me as a thief etc etc. I might not be as great a DBA as you are but, may be dont have that many years of exp., but I do my DBA stuff fairly well.
I hope you understand and I am sincere in my apologies and do not mean to copy anything, there are very usefull information on the web and I do not wish to take credit off people of their work.
Once again, I am sorry about this issue.
After all this mistake, i have mentioned the name of the author on the website. I am trying my best not to do such a grave mistake again. I look on to great DBAs like you and wish to learn. Most of the things on the website are feeds, I dont even mention my name anywhere, or claim that I have written the docs. Where ever I have know I have put the names of the authors.
I hope you are kind enough to forgive me.
Regards
Apun
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Michel Cadot, France
Date: Dec 24, 2006, 10:23, 5629 days ago
Message:
You lie and your last site (dbahub) was the proof.

Michel
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Apun Hiran, India
Date: Dec 24, 2006, 13:53, 5628 days ago
Message: What is wrong there Sir, Every page has its source information. The news that has been put up, all says about the source. If there is anything which I missed, I have clearly mentioned on the front page, as articles under webmaster, are the ones whose authors are unknown.
I had no idea that a non intentional mistake could back fire this bad to me.
Regards
Apun
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Apun Hiran, India
Date: Dec 24, 2006, 15:40, 5628 days ago
Message: I believe the best I can do to prove that I can I am sincerely apologetic, I bring down both the website, to show the respect I have toward all of you. Once the site connectivity resolves, I will take the site off the web.
Specially, Mr. Nick, I am sorry for causing you the agony.
Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year.
Was nice interacting with all of you.
Regards
Apun
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Nick Havard, United Kingdom
Date: Dec 24, 2006, 18:17, 5628 days ago
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Message: Hi

The reason no one is likely to trust you is very simple. If you look at the web site it says the following.


This Account Has Been Suspended

Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible.


In one of your messages you state:

I bring down both the website, to show the respect I have toward all of you. Once the site connectivity resolves, I will take the site off the web.


The first message indicates an issue with you hosting company having suspended your account presumably on the basis of copyright infringement. That is not the same as a connectivity issue or YOU having brought down the web site.

Personally I have no problem with people using my scripts (if I did I wouldn't have publihed it) etc etc etc, but to try and rebrand my script as your own was very insulting. Even my comments which have my warped sense of humour were left the same. There were two techniques I used in that script that stand out to me as it took me quite a while to get working. The first I've never seen before or since used. The second I've never seen used in the context I used it.

Another reason you will find people distrust you is that it wasn't only this piece of work that stood out as originating elsewhere. I noticed several others including the contents of a book that I have.

Nick.

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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Michel Cadot, France
Date: Dec 25, 2006, 09:04, 5628 days ago
Message:
I see cars in the street, I don't know who are their owners so I claim they are mine.

Is "unknown" more difficult to write than "webmaster"?

Web can give you worldwide honor and respect
but if you cheat there is always someone that see it
and you just get worldwide shame and contempt.

And stop lying: "non intentional" is a lie.
This is at least your second site, we already warned you for the first one.

Michel
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Michel Cadot, France
Date: Dec 25, 2006, 09:39, 5628 days ago
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Message:

Lies, lies, lies.

See D. Morgan answer about your sites on comp.databases.oracle.misc:
I wrote: It seems they finally understand who is this guy
and he answered: They had some help. ;-)

Now prove you understand and are a valuable guy,
build a new site with only your work,
possibly links (but not copy) to others.

See J. Lewis blog at http://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/ to learn to work with other's work.
If you want to publish scripts, see Frank Pachot's description on
http://www.dba-village.com/village/dvp_scripts.ScriptDetails?ScriptIdA=3728
He clearly said where he got his information and how he worked with J. Lewis to build HIS script.
A good ethical lesson. Not so hard.

Michel
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Subject: Re: Spot the Difference
Author: Apun Hiran, India
Date: Dec 25, 2006, 14:08, 5627 days ago
Message: Thanks you Sir, This whole issue has definitely shook me from within. I promise you all that such an act will not be done again by me. If you are ok, I would like to publish my stuff through this website. I am done with the idea of making a website. Probably in the spree on posting stuff on the website I did not take the pain of verifing the source of the stuff well.
Thanks to all for saving me from continuing the crime.
Nick,
As for my website, it was a shared space I was using along with someone. I had done the payments to that person instead of the web hosting company. So i did not know abt the site going down etc. When I said connentivity, I meant once the site comes back up, I will take it down, as whenever the person make the payment, the site will come up again by itself.
Thanks and apologies once again.
I dont want to remain branded as a theif, I remorse my act and apologize.
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.
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